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Heroes 2x09 Cautionary Tales Census
by Oyce (oyceter)
at November 19th, 2007 (10:21 pm)

Er, warning, I get very angry in here.

Race

Hiro - the only saving grace in this episode.

Kaito - officially dead.

Kimiko - silent. Why am I not surprised?

Mohinder - ARGH PLOTLINE OF STUPID!!

Gender

Angela - ok, I lied, she was the other good thing about the episode.

Kimiko - silent

Molly - mindcontrolled by the man acting as her dad!

Claire - OMG HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE THIS STORYLINE! DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ALLCAPS TO EXPRESS MY RAGE!

Seriously. I spent this entire episode yelling, "I fucking hate this. I hate it. I hate it." at the screen. The only reason I finished was to write this up. Like, I am thisclose to quitting the show.

First off, the confrontation with West. So suddenly everything's Claire's fault? Excuse me? Spygirl? Who exactly was the one pushing the relationship on her in the first place, asshat?

Then Noah and West. OMG HATE. HATE SO MUCH. I DID NOT THINK I WOULD EVER HATE MR. BENNET BUT I DO NOW! And it is not the happy to hate kind of enjoyment at his greyness. No, it is a I want to whack him over the head type. Seriously. Seriously?! He SYMPATHIZES WITH WEST?! Mrs. Bennet says West is LIKE him?! And somehow, given the smile on her face, I don't think she means "bullying, manipulative, and wrong." OMG. OMG. Just. Two men trading Claire around like an object. She gets no say in anything. The whole thing is about which one she will choose. And then, the two of them ally when yet another man kidnaps her!

I mean seriously! The trade-off scene? Two women/girls in bondage being traded off by groups of white men. Great. And then Claire gets shuffled off by West again. I cannot believe the show is honestly asking us to take West as a romantic interest. CANNOT BELIEVE. And somehow we are supposed to read all of his prior actions as GOOD because they were for her protection?! Excuse me while I throw up a little in my mouth here.

And who are the only other women in the storyline? Oh yes, a helpless mother who basically does everything her husband said and approves of her daughter's skanky ass boyfriend because he is like Mr. Bennet! And then there Elle, the psychotic killer. (Personally I like Elle, but that is despite everything we are being told about her.) Oh, and not just that... Elle can't just be a psychotic killer, no, she has to be oversexualized and run her hands over any guy she meets. WTF SHOW?! This is after you told us last week that she seduced Adam when she was 18.

And the entire storyline is to a) reduce Claire to a commodity (not only is she traded around from father to boyfriend to enemy and over again, she is wanted merely for her blood, not for who she is) and b) provide Mr. Bennet with a tragic death. Except he gets to recover from it. Hi, where was this magic healing blood when, oh say, Kaito or DL were dying? What, magical healing blood is only to resurrect dead white men and re-prettify them?

And? The plotline makes no sense even on a non-gender level because they had magical healing blood Adam locked up for FORTY YEARS. And for some stupid ass reason, they never got a reserve blood supply? What? How dumb is that?

ARGH. Just. ARRRRRRGH. I HATE THIS EPISODE WITH THE PASSION OF A THOUSAND FIERY SUNS! HAAAAATE. HAAAATE.

Comments

Posted by: HOT NEW ORC FORTRESS (unlovablehands)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:48 am (UTC)
heroes - simone tires of you

Seriously, It's like S1 with Claire being all HAY DAD I HAVE AGENCY OF MY OWN NEVER HAPPENED. *RAGE*

I liked Hiro and Angela in this, at least. (And if Kaito had to go, I'm okay with the way they wrote him out? Like, at least he got a good-bye episode with his son? And is kind of made out of awesome.) *sigh* Oh, show. Somehow I have a feeling you have no idea what you're doing wrong.

*Hopes for this season to somehow get undone from the show's timestream via Hiro or Peter mucking about. OR KIMIKO. *secretly hopes* :O)

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:57 am (UTC)

OMG I KNOW! On a non-political level, the show is really just being dumb -- almost every character is retreading their S1 plotline. Bennets: did we not learn about trust and keeping things from your family? Niki: meds! Peter: can't control powers again. Matt: abusing his powers with his family. Mohinder: stupid decision on stupid decision. WTF?!

And just... arrrrgh!

I did like the Kaito-Hiro parts, which are basically the only reason I finished watching the ep. Hiro's decision seemed a little fast, but I liked his speech in the end, and I liked that he got to say goodbye to his dad.

OMG. I just. I cannot believe the show is actually using West as a straight-up romantic interest as opposed to a creepy made of FAIL.

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Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)

Mediterranean food sounds a billion times more enjoyable.

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Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)

OMG. I hated him so much when he was all, "Oh, you seduced me and did this all for your dad!" ARGH. I have lost all hope that the writers are aware of how problematic he is on a gender standpoint; they seem to think people don't like him because the romance is boring (and I am sure a lot of people do think that).

I just. WTF. Especially that last shot of Claire snuggled up against him in bed. I loved her character so much in S1, and now she's even more of a pawn and someone who is acted on instead of acting.

Posted by: "You are one messed-up puppy." (jenfullmoon)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 07:12 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)

I actually liked this episode when I turned my brain off and just appreciated it on a regular level. But looking into the colour/gender level, well especially the gender level I was definitely annoyed, particularly with Claire' storyline.

Now I'm not the type of girl who rages against men because they are men (I know for some women, men are automatically evil by virtue of having a Y chromosome). No, that's not me. I actually think that giving Claire a boyfriend could have been a great storyline, but only if they chose to represent that relationship in a positive way. Instead they made Wes annoying, stalkerish and worst of all pushy. They made this arrogant jack ass make Claire put the safety of herself and her family on the line for their relationship, and on top of that the show acted as though these were all the actions of a young boy in love. This is how good boyfriends act, and good girlfriends listen. The show's 'romance' hit the hight of insanity when the writers conveniently forgot to mention how it was BECAUSE of Wes and his ridiculousness that the entire Bennett family got torn apart. If Wes hadn't pushed Claire into doing that stupid stunt with Drunk!Debbie, the Company would never have found them, the family would have never been in danger, and HRG would have never had to have a hole in his freaking head (do you know how much that must of hurt?). Instead, they made him out to be a loving guy/hero who only cares about Claire's well being.

My question is to the writers: was it too much to paint a good relationship between boyfriends and girlfriends? Was it too much to make Wes a better character, smarter, less pushy, more gentle, understanding and maybe, and this is just a maybe, more respectful of his girlfriend's wishes, thoughts and boundaries? Oh and you might have gotten a different (read: prettier – I know, I’m shallow) actor – like that guy who plays Dan in Gossip Girl!...though he's already playing Dan in Gossip Girl. Damn it!. Was it too much to have an equal relationship between the two rather than showing us the 'man = dominant, woman = submissive' construction and then normalizing it and twisting things so that people think this is a romantic relationship? God it's like I'm reading Twilight all over again *hurls on Stephanie Meyer*. And the worst part it, you're not only screwing over the image of women, but of men too, as people (particularly women) may watch this, be disgusted, and again make this ' all men = overly dominant = bastards who get any with everything = evil' connection, which really is not true all of the time. Come on show, do better, please.

But yes, it is also rather convenient that the storyline made sure that the blood was readily available to Nathan and HRG but not DL and Kaito. Even if Kaito had to die as apart of the older generation, couldn't they have just put DL into a soap opera coma until the actor could get back? Then they could just heal him up with the blood and we could start all over again. I mean, I'm pretty sure Nikki would have decided to go to the company if she somehow caused his coma even if it isn't as final as death.

Whatever. It really does drive home the fact that the writers in heroes are probably mostly white men who do not, nor try to understand the experience of people who are not white and not men. So, in order to represent them in the show, they rely on older representations (probably those that they grew up on) in stories most likely geared towards white men.

Oh well. This sort of analysis is for after the initial enjoyment of the show. If I was like this while watching every episode of every tv show I ever watched, I probably wouldn't be able to enjoy anything.

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Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:57 pm (UTC)

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Posted by: les cheveux trempés dans du miel et de caramel (delux_vivens)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:45 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:47 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)
sorry for the constant reposts

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
Re: sorry for the constant reposts

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 04:23 pm (UTC)
Re: sorry for the constant reposts

Posted by: "You are one messed-up puppy." (jenfullmoon)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)

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Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)

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Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)

Posted by: les cheveux trempés dans du miel et de caramel (delux_vivens)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:57 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:12 pm (UTC)

Posted by: les cheveux trempés dans du miel et de caramel (delux_vivens)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Jana W (carabosse)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:29 pm (UTC)

Posted by: she's a tramp, she's a tramp, she's a vamp (tacky_tramp)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:45 pm (UTC)

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Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
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Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:51 pm (UTC)

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Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:30 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:46 pm (UTC)

Posted by: les cheveux trempés dans du miel et de caramel (delux_vivens)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:40 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Tryx (tryxkittie)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 07:45 pm (UTC)

Posted by: S. A. Bonasi (sabonasi)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)
Mohinder

I loved everything with Angela and Hiro. I also loved Molly wanting to be all heroic-like, but Matt mindwhammying her was just wrong. I'm hoping that we were supposed to take Matt's scene with Angela as Angela knocking some sense into him with regard to the misuse of powers, but in the end he had the name "Victoria Platt", so I'm not certain.

Regarding Mohinder, his plan was actually really good; it just all went to hell due to sheer bad luck. Why does that seem to happen to him a lot?

Everything else was ick for the reasons you named. Of course Noah gets spared. Eden and Charlie and Isaac and Noah and Kaito and Candice all had to die because Heroes is Serious Buisness, but Noah [and Matt and Nathan and Peter] get a stay of execution. Bleh.

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)

I saw the "Victoria Platt" on the photo too! Sigh. So much wrong. At least I think we're supposed to take his mind manipulation as bad, as opposed to West's stalkery behavior. UGH.

And don't forget, they even brought back Sylar! Just looking at who survives and who doesn't pisses me off so much.

Posted by: S. A. Bonasi (sabonasi)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 01:20 am (UTC)

Posted by: Laura Shapiro (laurashapiro)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)

My favorite thing? My FAVORITE THING. Is how all this bullshit of big-chested white males being all scary and violent is supposed to be okay because they're PROTECTING THE BLOND GIRL, when in fact we are talking about a blond girl who is fucking indestructible. For that matter, it's not like Elle needs much help, either. When you consider that all Bob can do is turn shit into gold, and Noah's just got normal spy-man-type skills, the whole thing is fucking ludicrous.

THE WOMEN DO NOT NEED PROTECTING. GET WITH THE PROGRAM, HEROES.

Posted by: superheroes failing at oatmeal (some_stars)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 08:07 pm (UTC)

OH JESUS YES. I actually thought for a second (FOOLISHLY) that they were gonna--get that, when West and Claire fell and she GOT UP and was FINE--but no. Caveman Must Protect Lady, apparently. Except when he's electrocuting her--man, there was a lot of women-in-pain screentime this episode, wasn't there? Always fun for a Tuesday morning.

Posted by: Laura Shapiro (laurashapiro)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 08:11 pm (UTC)

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Posted at: November 21st, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:11 am (UTC)

Posted by: Laura Shapiro (laurashapiro)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)

Posted by: "You are one messed-up puppy." (jenfullmoon)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 07:14 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Laura Shapiro (laurashapiro)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC)

Posted by: anenko (anenko)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 06:45 pm (UTC)
[heroes] holding out for a hero

I liked Hiro's story, up until the point when he excluded his sister from his "dad will live on through me!" speech. Um? Would it have been too much to ask that Kimiko be included in the 'wonderful things their dad taught Hiro' speech?

I'm sure the writers are trying to make Matt grey and complex, but the *repeated* mindrape skeeved me out on all sorts of levels (his daugher, who has already been traumatized by a mindrape! a woman who *begged* him not to violate the trust another woman placed in her. God, *Matt,* you jackass).

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)

The mindrape skeeves me out SO MUCH. I mean, it would in any case, but especially of his foster daughter! And then, so far, he just tests it on POC and women, of course. @@

Word about the exclusion of Kimiko.

Posted by: K Tempest Bradford (ktempest)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 01:21 am (UTC)

Posted by: anenko (anenko)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 09:30 am (UTC)

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Posted by: K Tempest Bradford (ktempest)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 01:19 am (UTC)

no, I saw that, too. Nothing Mohinder did made sense to me. AT ALL. Choosing to shoot Noah to save BOB? What? That just didn't fly.

Posted by: Mely (coffeeandink)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Ronch Ronch Ronch (sandoz_iscariot)
Posted at: November 20th, 2007 11:42 pm (UTC)
Runaways: Wake Me When It's Over

Everything West touches, he destroys. I hated the role he played in this episode. HATED IT. Like, Madeline Kahn in Clue "flames on the side of my face" hate. Claire begging for his forgiveness and him calling her a spy? HATE. Claire saying she wants to leave her family behind and stay with West when she's, according to the show's timeline, only known him for a weak? HATE. Bennet and West bonding over cars? HATE.

Okay, so those hints at West killing Bennet were to misdirect us. He isn't a killer, so he's meant to be "okay"? (As signified by Bennet's acceptance and eventual approval of him.) No. The writers put in plenty of signs of West's skeevyness, they can't pretend they didn't happen, or that West is a basically good but "overenthusiastic" kid. He's a bullying, creepy stalker with no respect for his girlfriend's boundaries. That hasn't changed.

But Kring has acknowledged that the West/Claire romance is a dud (though I'm not sure he fully understands why) so I expect it to end when the series is retooled.

It was nice to see Kimiko's existence acknowledged--the Nakamura scenes this season seemed to gloss over the fact that there was a third member of the family, but some dialogue would have been nice.

I liked Sandra in this episode. Yes, she's still stuck in the "supportive housewife" role, but at least she's starting to speak up and be an involved player in the events of her family. Of course, Bennet still only tells her what/when he wants her to know--but it's a step up from wiping her memories whenever she becomes a "problem". =/

As for why the Company doesn't have warehouses full of Adam's blood to use when someone needs it--from what Angela said, I had the impression that there's something wrong with his blood. Like, the older he gets, the crazier he is or something. (Notice that Nathan only started having gruesome hallucinations after the blood transfusion.) So they needed Claire's blood because Adam's was unusable. We'll see.

Edited at 2007-11-20 11:43 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 24th, 2007 06:34 pm (UTC)

Yeah, I do like that Sandra is at least speaking up and being involved, though I don't agree in particular with who she's supporting ;).

And good point re: Adam's blood! I hadn't thought of that.

Hate West. Haaate. Hate so much! Am so annoyed in particular that the writers probably do not understand that his stalkery, pushy behavior is WHY HE IS NOT ROMANTIC!

Posted by: K Tempest Bradford (ktempest)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)

Finally watched it. My rage cannot be contained. Seriously, that was all so incredibly bad.

And Claire's entire storyline is made of fail. the West thing was bad enough, yes, but suddenly she all "Dad's a liar! Don't listen to him!" hello, did I not experience the end of last season along with you? the part where you discovered that everything the man fucking did was because he was protecting you? Not that there isn't some ickyness there, but it's as if 5 months suddenly flew out of her mind and she was suddenly the girl who had NO idea about the Company or what they would do to her or what they would do to the family or what her father was even trying to do. Seriously, it didn't make any sense.

AND THEN HE PICKED UP THE TAPE.

Never have I seen so much fail all in one place. God.

Posted by: S. A. Bonasi (sabonasi)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 01:40 am (UTC)
Mohinder

I could totally see Claire needing to really come to terms with her father's past as, done for reasons to protect her or not, he did some really bad shit. But...um...season two takes place four months after season one. Claire coming to terms with Noah's past should have been covered in "Four Months Ago", not half-assedly through her shitty shitty storyline with West. Claire should not have needed West to point out that Noah is morally grey; season one has it that she already knew!

Posted by: Capsicumanuum (capsicumanuum)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 03:09 am (UTC)

I actually sort of liked that Elle molests every man she comes across. It's creepy and wrong and in the hands of good writers could be used to explore the objectification of women as sexual objects and why female sexuality is so damn scary to our society by turning the tables.

BUT, this episode convinced me that that was not where they were going with that, and it was just "Oh hai! Nympho blondes r hot!" Yuck.

I could come up with fanwank to explain why they didn't get a reserve supply of Adam's blood, but honestly, this show isn't worth my time, or my faith that the writers will come up with a good explanation.

Posted by: Sarah Ellen Parsons (se_parsons)
Posted at: November 21st, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)

I keep wondering now if when they took Elle's memories they didn't plant the nympho part. They seem to have engineered her to be the femme fatale spy/assassin. Especially if she was "all unicorns and rainbows" to begin with.

If a man was building a sociopathic fantasy spy girl out of his child, what would he make her be like, again?

Posted by: Lea (lea_hazel)
Posted at: November 22nd, 2007 02:57 pm (UTC)

How to save Heroes: Maya and Claire quit the crazy, creepy men in their lives and team up with Monica and Micah to FIGHT CRIME.

Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 24th, 2007 06:53 pm (UTC)

Word!

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Posted by: Oyce (oyceter)
Posted at: November 27th, 2007 11:03 pm (UTC)

Icon love!

So word on how the plot and the political offensiveness always seem to be inversely correlated! Ugh.

And of course West can't be a man in fridge! Only men of color are allowed to be men in fridges! @@

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